Alicia Wolfe (00:00.54)
to podcast her. Oh, do you want to promote the podcast as well? Do you want me to like, should we? Yeah, okay, we'll mention it. And I'll maybe even mention too, like that I was a guest on yours and yeah, maybe I'll link. Yeah, okay, great.
Brooke Rosolino (00:03.433)
I know. Oh yeah, I can do that. Yeah, we can talk about it, yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (00:09.098)
Yeah, so fun. And I'll share it, yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (00:15.908)
Okay, welcome everyone to the Boldly You podcast. I'm your host as always, Alicia Wolfe And I'm here with a great friend and mentor and role model and all these things combined of mine, Brooke Rosolino Brooke is a organizational consultant and a high performance coach. She works for her own company or she created her own company called N'Good Company. And we're here to talk about
Brooke Rosolino (00:37.954)
Hmm.
Alicia Wolfe (00:45.668)
all the good things about the power of knowing what you want, the power of sharing what you want, and being an agent of... Hold on, I wanna do a take two on that.
Brooke Rosolino (00:57.547)
Yeah, you're fine.
Alicia Wolfe (00:59.036)
And today we're here to talk about taking control of your life and leading your life and all the things. And we're gonna give you some juicy tools to apply to your life. So I'm so grateful to have Brooke on. Brooke, welcome.
Brooke Rosolino (01:03.446)
Mm-hmm.
Brooke Rosolino (01:13.742)
Thank you. I'm so happy to be here and I'm jealous of your sun-kissed tan face. Like I need some sun. It's been a rainy week here in Texas, so I will.
Alicia Wolfe (01:20.77)
Ha ha
Alicia Wolfe (01:24.128)
Soon you'll have it. Soon you'll tell, yeah, so you're, tell people where you're based and just maybe a little bit about you.
Brooke Rosolino (01:28.722)
Yeah. Yeah, I'm based in Texas. Have two boys, and they are nine and six. And it is so fun. I am obsessed with their ages. My nine-year-old and I are like, just, I don't know. It's just every year gets better and better, you know? And the other years were amazing. Do you?
Alicia Wolfe (01:47.052)
I think so too. Yeah, I feel like my, I have two daughters. I think my audience does that, but I have two daughters. And I feel like especially the older one Lenox, she's seven now. She's like a little buddy, like a little girlfriend, you know? We go do like girlfriend stuff together. It's so fun.
Brooke Rosolino (02:00.386)
Totally. Yeah, and I have seven niece at 13 and I was over at my sister's last week and I was about to leave for a work trip and I got all my clothes from her closet for my work trip. Speaking of, yes, everything I wore on my work trip was hers. So that's what you have to look forward to when they get even a little bit older. But I'm like, yeah, like now I...
Alicia Wolfe (02:15.053)
You got to borrow her clothes? Amazing.
Brooke Rosolino (02:25.846)
just like even borrow clothes from my niece. But with my nine year old, he and I watch football games, the other basketball games, we do the March Badness Bracket. He's my little black sports center together. It's fun, yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (02:28.136)
Oh my God.
Alicia Wolfe (02:34.421)
So fun.
It's great that you have that commonality and that passion in common. I think that's something that's so important with our kids is to share the things that we are passionate about and invite them into it. Obviously, he might be naturally really interested in sports and everything, but it's fun that you can do that together.
Brooke Rosolino (02:49.902)
He is, yeah. It's really sweet. Yeah, so that's kind of what's fun for my life right now and what I'm enjoying. And yeah, so wake-up's on base. And then I'm traveling about every other week. So you know.
Alicia Wolfe (03:04.06)
And how do you find that? How do you find traveling every other week? Is that a good cadence for you? Is it too much? Are you wanting more? Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (03:09.502)
Yeah, not more. No, it is, it's funny, my husband the other day was like, you know, your work, groundwork full, is like really manageable. And I was like, awesome. Like, that's amazing. So we're in a really good rhythm. I tell people all the time, it works for us. And it's so hard when you look at somebody else's life. And I think it's easy to judge, like how can she be a good mom and be gone that much? Or.
Alicia Wolfe (03:21.044)
Great.
Alicia Wolfe (03:37.216)
Hmm. You know dads don't get that question. Dads don't get that scrutiny. But yes, okay, keep going. I know.
Brooke Rosolino (03:38.022)
Uh, that must be stressful or I know so annoying they don't. Yeah. You're like getting fired up about that. Um, so yeah, I think when you're living in like really your purpose, what you're meant to do, everybody else is going to thrive around you. I'm just a huge believer in that. So, uh, they need me to.
Alicia Wolfe (04:00.604)
Yeah. Yeah, because when we're living with our purpose, we are able to... We're thriving, of course, and we're in a flow. And then everybody else in our orbit, or not everybody, but people in our orbit, feel that and they sense that and they are uplifted by it. It doesn't feel like a tension. Obviously, I'm sure there's conversations that, you know, you and your partner are having and your kids as well.
Brooke Rosolino (04:08.521)
Exactly.
Brooke Rosolino (04:16.353)
Mm-hmm.
Brooke Rosolino (04:22.7)
Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (04:26.52)
when it does get challenging, but I, yes, I'm a firm believer in that it's like our responsibility to live into our purpose and into our, what we're meant to be doing because it, it ripples, it sends a ripple effect to those around us.
Brooke Rosolino (04:34.766)
Mm-hmm.
Brooke Rosolino (04:40.69)
Yeah, it does. So yeah, that's our little... That's it. That was it. I'm glad we talked about that.
Alicia Wolfe (04:45.116)
Yeah. Yeah, I think it's really important because it really sets us up for the conversation of living into your purpose and creating a life that's rooted in your purpose. So Brooke, tell it. Well, the question I want to ask, and I know a little bit about your story because we were in it together to a degree. So Brooke and I went through a coaching certification cohort all online for all of 2020 and into 2021.
Alicia Wolfe (05:15.124)
what the world was like then. I mean, we were so, it was so wonderful to have one another through that really challenging time. Um, but we both got a coach certification at the same time. And I remember like Brooke was already doing like consulting and working for these like high profile organizations. And I just thought like, Oh my gosh. And actually, you know, when I started the light year coach certification, I didn't even know what a coach was. I was like,
Brooke Rosolino (05:18.747)
Mm.
Brooke Rosolino (05:30.062)
Thanks for watching!
Alicia Wolfe (05:39.384)
I don't know, Suzanne told me I should do this. Suzanne's our teacher and the one who was leading the certification. And I just was like, I'll do it. I don't know what that is. And so when I saw you and I saw other people who are like entrepreneurs and had created their own companies and were really living into a purpose, it was a really eye-opening experience for me. And I really, I'm so grateful for the representation that I got exposed to because truly I didn't even really like know what entrepreneurship was. I mean, I did.
Brooke Rosolino (05:44.328)
Mm-hmm.
Brooke Rosolino (06:08.587)
Mm-hmm.
Alicia Wolfe (06:09.364)
but it was like Dave who ran Dave's Pizza. Like that was my representation of entrepreneurship growing up. And so it wasn't even like, I never even thought like have my own company, what work for myself? And then I saw you and so many other people in our cohort doing it. And that was massive shift in my awareness of what is possible for me. And I got to get super clear on my purpose.
Brooke Rosolino (06:31.586)
Hmm.
Brooke Rosolino (06:36.428)
Mm.
Alicia Wolfe (06:39.18)
through the work that we did with Suzanne and with one another. And thank goodness for that, because now here I am. I've created this life that's completely rooted in purpose and rooted in what the legacy is that I want to continue to leave behind. And what I'd love to ask you about is, what was that process like for you? Because you've clearly done some work ahead of that coaching cohort that we did to start your own business and all of that. But.
Brooke Rosolino (07:03.957)
Mm-hmm.
Alicia Wolfe (07:06.432)
Tell us about purpose and your journey for finding your purpose and then translating that into work.
Brooke Rosolino (07:13.102)
Yeah, well, it's been a journey. And I think what, before I go into that, it's interesting. Because I'm like, it's so, like, I don't feel, like, when I think about myself day to day, like, oh, I've worked with these amazing companies and, like, really cool, which I have. And I'm so grateful for. But I think when you get.
in the weeds with even like the biggest like, you know, brand or whatever popular brand brands. And it looks good on the outside. You're in the weeds and you're like, this is like messy, you know, like this isn't glamorous or romantic. So I just wanted to like pull that out that I think we can really romanticize, which some of it feels, sometimes it feels romantic. What I want everybody to hear though is
Alicia Wolfe (07:46.173)
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Alicia Wolfe (07:51.179)
Mmm.
Brooke Rosolino (08:04.23)
It's, everybody's figuring it out. And I think we think like we have to be at this level or have this certain ex and sometimes you do like, you do need to like have the skillset to commit to the work that you said you can do. And I think when people peek in, there's, there's so much work to be done.
Alicia Wolfe (08:06.858)
Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (08:24.732)
Yeah. Well, and you have a podcast that's all about that. So maybe tell listeners about your podcast because it really relates to exactly what you're talking about.
Brooke Rosolino (08:28.147)
Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (08:34.098)
Yeah, so it's like a pun on work. It's called work therapy, which I'm definitely not a therapist. I have no desire to be a therapist. I think my work, though, is therapeutic. And when I'm with companies, they have said, it feels therapeutic. Which, when you're getting healthy as an organization, or you're having healthy conflict, that's therapeutic. But really going back to your question of why I got started and what I'm doing now,
Alicia Wolfe (08:43.196)
Mm-hmm
Alicia Wolfe (08:54.86)
course.
Brooke Rosolino (09:04.372)
is my time at Lululemon, I was really there at the kind of the beginning. I mean, it was like 2008. So I think there were like 30 stores, I could be wrong, in the US. Like it was a baby. Our region, part of our region in Nashville was like we were connected to DC. That's how few stores there were in the US. And we created, like we started the market, like I helped build the market in Nashville.
Alicia Wolfe (09:15.245)
Wow.
Alicia Wolfe (09:23.018)
Yeah, wow.
Brooke Rosolino (09:34.018)
What an experience and so powerful in understanding how culture can impact a whole person's life, their work culture. And I was transformed as a person. We would have people like, I remember my regional manager, she was like a lawyer and left her job to start working on the floor at Lululemon and then became a regional manager. But she was like, I want to be around these people.
Alicia Wolfe (09:45.467)
Hmm.
Alicia Wolfe (10:00.113)
Mm-hmm. Mm.
Brooke Rosolino (10:00.194)
And to this day, that was 2008, and I'm not in Nashville anymore, we go back often, and so many of my coworkers are still like best friends. Like they're in each other's lives, you know? So my experience there, the thing that kind of popped, bubbled up for me was we spend so much time, so much of our lives at work, and it's soul draining for so many people.
Alicia Wolfe (10:09.908)
Yeah, wow.
Alicia Wolfe (10:28.8)
Yes.
Brooke Rosolino (10:29.346)
And it's really hard. It causes a ton of anxiety in their life. And I just had this desire to really, I had a desire and I chose to really make an impact through focusing on the marketplace, the workplace and choosing to impact there. Because it's where most people spend a lot of their time. Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (10:53.492)
Yeah, yeah, it's where we spend a majority of our time. In fact, like in certain situations, most people, especially in like North American culture, like we're spending more time at work than we are with our families, you know, or with our kids or with our partners. And we also associate, and I'm curious if you think this is true in the work that you've done. I think especially males associate so much of their value,
Brooke Rosolino (10:58.207)
Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (11:06.39)
Mm-hmm.
Brooke Rosolino (11:15.808)
Mm-hmm.
Brooke Rosolino (11:22.996)
Mm-hmm.
Alicia Wolfe (11:23.556)
worth and their purpose and their, you know, their esteem to their work and to their career and the impact and the purpose that they're making, maybe more so than women. I don't know. What do you think? Like just based on societal trends and how like the men are supposed to be the provider and just like really inherited beliefs that we're working as a society to sort of sunset and step away from. And I think it still exists, but I'd love your thought on that.
Brooke Rosolino (11:39.592)
Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (11:49.838)
Yeah, I mean, I think for sure every human has that struggle, right, of really putting our value in our work. And I do think because of the culture.
Alicia Wolfe (11:56.541)
Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (12:02.45)
and you know, capitalistic culture in America and these, you know, what we've grown up believing and hearing and that obviously the generation before us always significantly influences how we feel where it worth is. And yeah, I mean, for men, I think secure men, it takes a lot of work though to be a secure man and be okay with that not you not finding your value there.
Alicia Wolfe (12:21.225)
Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (12:26.166)
But it is the most natural human thing in our culture to just say, OK, my value is, if I'm going to be a contributor to society, it's going to be in my nine to five, which is just not true. It's just not true. I mean, and I think where, like how I think about the integration and what I do with the organizations I work with is,
Alicia Wolfe (12:40.107)
It's not.
Brooke Rosolino (12:51.222)
really, like you're contributing at the grocery store you're at that day, you're contributing, picking your kids up from school, like it's all a contribution. It does, every area you are, like I think you do need to maybe show up differently. So I'm not actually a believer in being yourself, like fully yourself 100% of the time. I think there's things you need to like, there's constraints to have in different settings. Like I shouldn't be like,
Alicia Wolfe (13:14.734)
Mm.
Sure.
Brooke Rosolino (13:21.69)
you know, coach, you know, facilitator Brooke when I'm home. Like I may use facilitator skills, but like a CEO probably doesn't want to show up at home as a CEO. They want to show up at home as a father and those require and ask different things of us. And so that's something that I think, especially going back to what you said about men in the workplace and finding their value there.
Alicia Wolfe (13:27.705)
Yeah
Alicia Wolfe (13:34.109)
Mm-hmm. Mm.
Brooke Rosolino (13:51.575)
there's so much weight put there that they don't really know how to like, yeah, adjust that home and they bring that home with them too.
Alicia Wolfe (13:54.442)
Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (13:59.596)
Yeah, yeah. And so for those, and I'm not saying that women don't also associate value at work, I just think there's like a societal pressure and this like generational inherited belief that, you know, the man's job is to work and, and so there's an elevated maybe sense of self-worth that goes into it for them. But, and what I want to ask is, is that for people who you've worked with.
Brooke Rosolino (14:07.57)
Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (14:19.021)
Mm-hmm.
Alicia Wolfe (14:28.704)
who do feel like soul sucked in their work. I think that's the word you use, like it could be soul draining or soul, like soul draining, who feel soul drained in their work. What do you offer them? Like what advice do you have or what tools do you give them? Or maybe it's in a team sort of organizational system. What do you give to them? Like what are some things that people can take away if they're listening right now and thinking, you know what? Like I'm, my work is a little soul draining. What do you offer?
Brooke Rosolino (14:35.376)
Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (14:58.31)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. So there's so many different things based on the context for that person. And I think in the moment, what I offer one on one is really the process of sense making, which is different than thinking. It's really taking, which I think what Suzanne, our teacher, taught us so well, how like,
helping people navigate that intuitive sense of like, what's the next thing? What action do I need to take? What's kind of underlying, what's underneath the surface? And I think the first recommendation though is, I always go back to choice. And if we're...
And again, this is sometimes people don't have, it is a privilege to be able to like leave the job and take care of yourself. I've been in my journey as an entrepreneur, I have had, and I'm obviously grateful for the time now, but I went through like two and a half years really depressed. Things just were not working. We went into, we had financial struggles like.
Alicia Wolfe (15:55.34)
course.
Brooke Rosolino (16:13.646)
It was so intense. And again, I still had a family I could lean on, even though that didn't, you never as an adult wanna lean on a family like that. But what I did learn is it's really real. If somebody doesn't feel like they can financially provide, you're in such survival mode that choice feels like.
Alicia Wolfe (16:38.796)
What? Foreign. Yeah. Sure. Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (16:39.33)
Okay, yeah, so I just want to acknowledge that. I think it's important and I think what I still had to do is like what is like the choice I'm gonna make today and then really choosing not to be a victim to my circumstance. Like I think that's where and I a lot of times when people complain within the teams I'm working with I remind them I had a conversation
Alicia Wolfe (16:56.556)
Hmm.
Alicia Wolfe (17:00.073)
Mm.
Brooke Rosolino (17:09.302)
Um, with one of the executives that I work with and this person was very frustrated, uh, with the CEO and we discussed, uh, you know, didn't want to work with them kind of like, okay, I'm very frustrated. So I was like, okay, well, you always have the choice to leave. That was a very dramatic.
You know, but she needed to like this needed to see the options. Right. And so, and if that's not what's happening today and you're, you're choosing to stay with you are then like there's something to do to navigate the situation. Because yeah. Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (17:35.148)
Sure, yes.
Alicia Wolfe (17:47.82)
Okay, that's amazing. And I wanna just pinpoint this because I was just talking to a client about this the other day that in this scenario with this executive or with this person, this client that you were working with, there's the choice to leave, there's the choice to stay and be miserable. The work is to find that in between.
Brooke Rosolino (18:05.227)
Mm-hmm.
Brooke Rosolino (18:09.838)
third choice.
Alicia Wolfe (18:11.58)
What's that third choice, right? And in the work that you and I lead or the tools that Suzanne has given us through Lightyear is this options and impacts flow, right? Where you're taking the options that you have. So in this case, it's leave, stay and be miserable.
or find the third one and I want to hear like how you worked with that client to find that, but find the third option and then what are the different impacts that you can measure those choices against to then determine what is correct for you, right? So anyway, I love this. I love that you highlighted for this client. Leave, that's a choice. Stay and continue what you're doing and be visible. And then how did you help them find the third option?
Brooke Rosolino (18:53.491)
Mm-hmm.
Brooke Rosolino (19:02.398)
We went through and just really simply navigated what this person needed to kind of...
name that was happening in the situation to get clear because they were in a very reactive state. So I was like, okay, what do we need to do? So you know the methodology, but we identified how many things. And then we simply went through, redefined a few words for this person. We identified what happened in the conversation that kind of got them.
Alicia Wolfe (19:15.371)
Mm.
Brooke Rosolino (19:36.906)
in a reactive state and then we identified where, like, what boundaries needed to be taken and then we chose forgiveness. And that later that day, they had a conversation they never had before, one of the most impactful conversations, very unusual, out of the norm. And this person came back to me the next day and was like, it was because of the work we did.
Alicia Wolfe (19:47.628)
Mm.
Alicia Wolfe (20:05.06)
Uh huh, wow.
Brooke Rosolino (20:05.782)
I was like, I know, I know, isn't it crazy?
Alicia Wolfe (20:10.128)
Isn't that wild? I know I had a client that was working with me. She's like, this stuff really actually works. I'm like, I know. Isn't it amazing? Like it actually works, I know.
Brooke Rosolino (20:19.314)
It's crazy. I know and like now so yeah, there's the third way and I think even thinking I think this could help people and not to get into politics, but like I think RFK Jr. Is a third way like whether he runs or not like we need a third option.
Alicia Wolfe (20:36.468)
Hmm.
Alicia Wolfe (20:40.54)
You're right, because there's currently only two, and that's how the system has set up, and there needs to be a re-shifting of the system so that there isn't always just two, because you're right, then we're not actually in choice, we're in decision, and decision isn't liberating, right? Decision is just like, well, this is the best of two options, and so if you look at sort of the political and electoral sort of system and how it's really broken, in my opinion, but.
Brooke Rosolino (20:45.29)
Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (20:55.771)
Exactly.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Alicia Wolfe (21:10.024)
we'll let listeners make their own opinion on that, but really broken and apply it to your own life. If you've only got two choices or two decisions or like two options, the work is to look for the third option, the in-between that you can navigate from. And that really creates true and authentic choice in your next step, in the next action that you're taking. And Brooke, why do you think or what do you tell leaders?
Brooke Rosolino (21:12.405)
Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (21:19.379)
Mm-hmm.
Brooke Rosolino (21:23.047)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (21:40.156)
and employees and executives that you're working with, what do you tell them to... What's the question I wanna ask? What do you tell them to help them see why it's so important to lead from choice and not from reaction?
Brooke Rosolino (21:59.046)
Yeah, I think I help them. I give them an example of someone that's not doing that. And I ask them how they view them. Sometimes. I know that sounds interesting. Like, or maybe I'll give it like a farfetched example. Like say, how are you, what is your impression of someone that is reactive? Do you like to be in their presence? Do you feel...
Alicia Wolfe (22:11.995)
Okay, can you give an example?
Brooke Rosolino (22:28.63)
Do they come across as powerful? Do you feel like you wanna follow them or partner with them? And I think they have to like kind of understand that, like kind of get perspective. And then...
Alicia Wolfe (22:33.406)
Hmm.
Alicia Wolfe (22:41.055)
Mm-hmm.
Brooke Rosolino (22:48.67)
And I don't always label it as the third way. I just open them. My goal is always to help them see a possibility that they're not seeing at the moment. And I think that at the core, that's what it is. Yeah. And if it's a small, tiny thing, it's like something. Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (23:02.89)
Mm-hmm.
Alicia Wolfe (23:06.844)
Yeah. Yeah, and...
Alicia Wolfe (23:13.096)
Yeah, that's right. It's a tiny shift, a more expansive perspective that they can take, 1% different.
Brooke Rosolino (23:21.79)
1%. And that's all I'm looking for. And if it's more, sometimes it's like an 80. Sometimes it'll have a massive shift and transfer me, like crazy. And sometimes 1% is enough. I tell people all the time, you've got to extend yourself some grace. 1% every day is really good. So you may not have reacted perfectly, and for sure you didn't, because I was in the room. And we're.
Alicia Wolfe (23:30.045)
Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (23:42.67)
Yes.
Brooke Rosolino (23:50.774)
Here's what you could do next time. And it was better than last time. Like you're making progress. So let's just like, let's focus on that, you know?
Alicia Wolfe (23:52.038)
Yes.
Alicia Wolfe (23:55.777)
Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (24:00.8)
Mm-hmm. Those little shifts, little by little by little, and you continue to shift into that person or that leader or that executive who responds in a way that they're proud of and that they are in choice about and not in reaction to. Yeah, because when we're in reaction, it like really limits our ability to.
Brooke Rosolino (24:15.927)
Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (24:23.716)
listen clearly, to think clearly, to respond clearly, to be creative, to be innovative, to inspire people around us. And I love what you said about when you're guiding people or when you're highlighting for clients that you're working with, that you make it more objective. You're not like you. How does it feel when you're reactive? It's like, what does it feel like when you look at somebody else who's in a reactive state? And really, I don't know, like...
Brooke Rosolino (24:49.386)
Mm-hmm.
Alicia Wolfe (24:52.096)
taking almost like an eagle perspective, that looks at it objectively. Oh, okay, and then you can make sense and put that back on yourself and apply it to yourself.
Brooke Rosolino (24:55.916)
Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (25:01.702)
Mm hmm. Yeah. There's there's never a dull moment.
Alicia Wolfe (25:04.952)
Yeah, so good. There's never a dull moment. And let's talk more about choice. And one thing that I want to ask you about is that, is sense making versus thinking? I really like, I don't know why I really like that, but I really like that. Can you talk more about what you said and what you mean by sense making versus thinking?
Brooke Rosolino (25:31.926)
So I think what I have found, and this is where...
Brooke Rosolino (25:42.002)
We're really good at thinking, right? I think we all know that. Like, obviously we've built an economy built on thinking and intelligence and all of those things. And it's important.
Alicia Wolfe (25:44.224)
Hmm.
Alicia Wolfe (25:50.297)
Mm-hmm.
Brooke Rosolino (25:57.13)
But I think we've put two within making strategic decisions or navigating uncertainty, which we live in a very uncertain climate. That's, it's just, it's the nature of where the time and place that we're in. Thinking just isn't enough.
to navigate complexity. So there's something like, so I would say complicated is when the example I heard was like, OK, your engine's broken in your car. So it's definitely complicated because I couldn't fix the engine, right? But somebody that knows how to fix engines and does it every day, they can see, oh, this part is broken, so I need to put a new part in that part. When we're dealing with the engine,
Alicia Wolfe (26:30.793)
Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (26:41.201)
My car is currently broken, so this is very, this like our transmission is currently broken, so this is like a perfect example.
Brooke Rosolino (26:45.842)
Oh, yeah, I love it. It's hidden close to home. So they can put that piece in and then it's fixed. But when you're dealing with humans in an organizational system, it's what we would call complex. So it's not in black and white, it's in color.
Alicia Wolfe (26:58.973)
Mm-hmm.
Brooke Rosolino (27:03.946)
And when something's in color, it takes thinking, and it also takes sense making. So sense making is really the ability to acknowledge what's not being sensed, what's not being said, and acknowledge it and know how to navigate those undercurrent vibrations, feelings, patterns, and emotions that are
Alicia Wolfe (27:31.893)
Hmm.
Brooke Rosolino (27:33.49)
you know, really at the end of the day, a lot of times that's what's keeping organizations stuck or where the bottleneck is. And so we can think all day and be smart all day. But if we're not, if we're not acknowledging the things that. Are hard to prove. You know, like there's a lot of science back, like we just, it's challenging. So.
Alicia Wolfe (27:56.756)
course. Yeah.
Yes.
Brooke Rosolino (28:01.646)
That's what I mean by really moving and helping teams. That's what I do, helping teams move into sense making. An idea of that would be a practical way is, and there's a lot of science behind this, having an experiment. So if there's a change you want to test in the organization, sensing like, OK, what's the change? What's our hypothesis again? That's using both your thinking and your sensing. But.
Even the word experimentation is more of a sense making practice because you're understanding that you're like navigating something, a little bit unclear and it's complex. So it's a great way to deal with complexity, test something for eight weeks, see what the results were, and then make a decision based on that. But that's like a sense making process. Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (28:38.473)
Mm.
Alicia Wolfe (28:44.36)
Mm.
Alicia Wolfe (28:49.66)
That's awesome. And you're so right in, you work a lot with organizations. I came from working a lot with organizations and I'm starting to work with small businesses again, which has been really fun and a way to, it's just so much more dynamic, when you're working with a group of people than an individual person. But in a business world and in a corporate world, it's,
Brooke Rosolino (28:58.824)
Mm-hmm.
Alicia Wolfe (29:16.368)
we make so many decisions based on facts, knowledge, experience, what's happened in the past and things like that. And what is often isn't happening is actually like thinking outside the box and using that imagination and that creative side of the brain that doesn't always get acknowledged and appreciated as much as like concrete data. So I love this idea of sense making.
and really accessing intuition, would you say like it requires a deeper level of accessing your intuition or tapping into intuition?
Brooke Rosolino (29:53.722)
Yeah, and then even to make that more practical language wise, I would say mindfulness. We can't really be intuitive. Mindfulness is the kind of first lever, I think, just understanding reflection, right? A really good way for sense making is a retrospective.
Alicia Wolfe (30:00.053)
Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (30:14.431)
Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (30:17.669)
Mm-hmm.
Brooke Rosolino (30:18.678)
where you're kind of reflecting, right? What are the things, what is there to learn and becoming mindful of, okay, I was reactive in that conversation, what triggered me? What was actually going on there? And a lot of times we don't pause to do that.
Alicia Wolfe (30:32.297)
Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (30:39.822)
And that when we don't do that, we do have, like every human has intuition, but we're not really sure what's intuition or what's not. You know?
Alicia Wolfe (30:48.732)
Yeah. And so how do you then support your clients in tapping into that intuitive side that maybe they haven't been utilizing because they've been using the brain so much and the thinking part, how do you help people tap into that intuition?
Brooke Rosolino (31:04.558)
Practice. I mean, so I mean, it's hard because it's not in the context, but I think it's asking them the questions. And I'll call out something. Like, for example, I was coaching someone this week, and they were like, yeah, I was really frustrating this meeting. And this person has not done a lot of mindful work at all. So it is like, baby, baby steps.
Alicia Wolfe (31:06.612)
How? Like what?
Alicia Wolfe (31:31.486)
Mm hmm. Sprink, sprinkle, sprinkle.
Brooke Rosolino (31:33.97)
Yeah, and so the person was like, oh yeah, well, and that meeting was really frustrating because we were just talking in circles. And I said, well, OK, so why do you think you were talking in circles? What was frustrating to you about that? He's like, well, just because people were talking. I'm like, OK, but also, so we had to unpack it. And.
Alicia Wolfe (31:50.65)
Mm-hmm.
Alicia Wolfe (32:01.008)
Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (32:03.794)
There was another thing of another conversation that we unpacked about, like, OK, you tried this and it didn't work before. Do you think that there's a limiting belief? And maybe you're not approaching the situation with possibility. And do you think there is possibility that this person could respond differently next time? And they're starting to sense and understand.
Alicia Wolfe (32:16.353)
Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (32:23.72)
Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (32:28.65)
Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (32:30.258)
And then it's like some of the methodologies that we, it's hard to get into depth here, but just having people identify things by starting with a number and kind of like, okay, one to five, how many things? They're like, what? Instead of thinking there's this thing, this thing's like, no, how many things? So it's like, just how many?
Alicia Wolfe (32:42.469)
How many things are there to identify? How many things are getting in your way? Yeah.
Just how many? What's your intuition tell you? And you're like already like telling them to get out of their head and into their intuition just by asking them how many things? What's your intuition tell you? How many things are there? And just like those little exercises. Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (33:00.742)
Exactly. So that's what I mean by like, it's just practice, but like there's an exercise like that is helpful.
Alicia Wolfe (33:07.904)
Mm-hmm. That's so great. That's such a great reminder. I don't use that
enough, that's not the word I want to use, but I don't use that tool, the identifying how many things to help clients tap into. That's a great reminder for me to, as a tool, to gift that to my team, to my, not my team, to my clients, because it is, it's so helpful to get out of your head and into your soul, your intuition, your gut, you know, more, and really honouring that intuition of people that has, you know, oftentimes we're disconnected from that, you know.
Brooke Rosolino (33:36.355)
Mm-hmm.
Alicia Wolfe (33:44.532)
we're disconnected.
Brooke Rosolino (33:44.69)
And it's, yeah, like it's hard because it's like not concrete, you know, but I was working with someone this week and we both got on this another, the boundary shield. You know what that is? We both got the same number for the boundary shield of what we sense that person needed to be moved to. And out of 73 rings, right? I think so or 72. No, anyway, it's a lot of rings, but we got to the same number. And for her, that was like, Whoa,
Alicia Wolfe (34:01.228)
Uh huh. Cool. I thought it was 37, but anyway, okay. Yeah, okay.
Alicia Wolfe (34:13.975)
Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (34:14.954)
Like, whoa. So it's like building belief in intuition by like practicing it and seeing results.
Alicia Wolfe (34:19.757)
Mm-hmm.
Alicia Wolfe (34:25.747)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. So let's, can we like workshop that a little bit? Because I would love for listeners to be able to, maybe they're not a corporate executive or maybe they don't even work in a team environment, but they're still.
Brooke Rosolino (34:36.032)
Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (34:39.804)
sensing and wanting, there's a desire for them to be able to tap into their own intuition more deeply. So can we, I don't know, do you want to like role play that or do we, do you want to just sort of give the tool itself? What do you think would be most helpful for a listener right now?
Brooke Rosolino (34:53.794)
I wonder if we could get the Get There Now framework, I feel like, is really good from Suzanne's book. That's a really simple, isn't it?
Alicia Wolfe (35:02.352)
Yeah? Yeah.
Yeah, it is, it definitely is in there. I don't have her book handy. Grab it. I think you should, yeah. Let's just do it, let's get a little tactical, because I'd love for, I'm gonna edit this little chunk out.
Brooke Rosolino (35:11.05)
I do, but should I get it? Okay.
Brooke Rosolino (35:18.482)
And it's hard to like, you know, that's the that's the challenging thing about it's such a like
Alicia Wolfe (35:23.908)
Yeah. But why don't you, do you want to, I'll edit this part out because, um, this is just us brainstorming right now, but do you want to like, uh, like workshop it, take me through it as like the authority in that space? And we can find like, is there something that I'm maybe blocked on? I don't know. Probably. There's probably a billion things.
Brooke Rosolino (35:28.098)
Yeah, that's fine.
Brooke Rosolino (35:35.766)
We could.
Brooke Rosolino (35:40.118)
Let me see. Um, let me find it. Cause I haven't... Um, where is it? Get there now. Okay.
Brooke Rosolino (35:54.815)
Okay.
Brooke Rosolino (36:01.11)
Okay, great. Okay, so Alicia, we can do this. So two questions. What would you like to change and what would you like to be different?
Alicia Wolfe (36:03.253)
Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (36:09.424)
Okay, let me think about it and then I want you to ask me it again because I want to have a response. What would I like to change?
Brooke Rosolino (36:13.442)
Okay.
Alicia Wolfe (36:21.652)
I'm feeling a block in even answering that question. I need to access my own, to do a get there now, to get there even to that.
Brooke Rosolino (36:27.978)
Why don't we just tell them that we can add this? I'm sure we could, right? Or I can just say, I'm trying to think of another really simple fast.
Alicia Wolfe (36:42.384)
Yeah. Like what's something in like, what's something when you're working with clients that they that you would utilize this like get a number, get there now thing, like what is something that comes up often and then maybe we
Brooke Rosolino (36:54.782)
we did this week, this person was so triggered. I'm like, we need to identify how many things you want to clear to be able to be in partnership with this person. Like what's triggering you and what do you need to clear to be and what actions do you need to take to be in partnership with this person?
Alicia Wolfe (36:59.975)
Uh-huh.
Alicia Wolfe (37:12.092)
Yes, okay. What? What's that? Aha.
Brooke Rosolino (37:16.054)
So we had a goal in mind. Yeah, we had a goal in mind, and then we needed to figure out what was getting in the way of that.
Alicia Wolfe (37:23.132)
Yes, okay. Well, I have something that isn't really interpersonal. So tell me if you think we could even do something with this. It's like I'm rebranding and redoing my entire website right now. And it's been a major block. Like it's just even just doing it. And like, I can make all the excuses in the world, not enough time, blah, blah. But like, do you think there's something there that you could help with?
Brooke Rosolino (37:34.69)
Okay.
Brooke Rosolino (37:38.993)
Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (37:49.452)
Does that feel relevant?
Brooke Rosolino (37:49.554)
Yeah, let's try it.
Alicia Wolfe (37:52.632)
Yeah. Let's try it. Totally. Yeah. Okay. Let's try it.
Brooke Rosolino (37:55.158)
And we can take it out if we don't feel like it's, you know. Okay. Okay, so Alicia, is there a certain thing that you feel like blocked or stuck on currently?
Alicia Wolfe (38:09.192)
Okay, hopefully this is relevant and helpful, but I'm in the process of doing like a big rebrand on my website, on the tools that I'm utilizing, on streamlining my platform, but it's been, it feels like I'm pushing a giant boulder, like not even up a hill, but like over a giant wall. Like it's just felt so blocked. So that's what I'm hearing when you even ask the question.
where's there a block? That's what I'm feeling there's a block on.
Brooke Rosolino (38:41.486)
Okay, so how long have you had the block?
Alicia Wolfe (38:48.832)
six months.
Brooke Rosolino (38:50.39)
OK, and how far have you gotten? Like, if you said your project is 100, OK, are you in partnership with someone doing it? OK. And what is the purpose of doing your rebrand? What did you want different that wasn't there before?
Alicia Wolfe (38:54.496)
Halfway there. 50% there. My husband.
Alicia Wolfe (39:09.032)
I want to streamline all the different millions of things that I'm using. I want to streamline. I want to make more efficient. So if I'm getting to the desire, the emotion that I want is efficiency, productivity, and a sense of pride in something that represents me as a professional but also a person.
Brooke Rosolino (39:18.335)
Mm-hmm.
Brooke Rosolino (39:37.074)
Mm hmm. Okay. And right now the way that you're
Currently like showcasing that doesn't feel like it's in line with what you're doing. It's not like matching Yes
Alicia Wolfe (39:50.572)
Correct, correct. There feels like a disconnect. It doesn't feel like it's reflecting the level of professionalism that I want it to. It feels like version 1.0, whereas me, the person and the coach and the consultant and the professional is really stepping into version 2.0 and I want the tools that I'm using to reflect that.
Brooke Rosolino (40:06.442)
NYEAH!
Brooke Rosolino (40:16.67)
OK, I understand that. So if you could identify, like if you could take a look, this question will be familiar and I love it. If you did know, what would it be?
Alicia Wolfe (40:30.844)
If I did know what, what would it be?
Brooke Rosolino (40:32.458)
If you did know what the block was, what would you guess it was? Like what would be a guess? Without thinking too hard. Okay, what else? What else?
Alicia Wolfe (40:37.392)
Not enough time. I don't, I don't have time.
There's so many other things that need to come first.
Brooke Rosolino (40:47.445)
Okay.
Alicia Wolfe (40:49.472)
higher priority. I'm not good at it. I'm not good at website design.
Brooke Rosolino (40:58.773)
Okay.
Alicia Wolfe (41:05.389)
I'm not focused. I have too many other ideas and things that I like catch my attention that then I want to make a priority.
Brooke Rosolino (41:13.382)
Yeah. So I guess from what you said, my question is, is it a true priority?
It's something you desire. And is it a true priority in this season?
Alicia Wolfe (41:36.492)
My gut says yes. My gut says yes, it's a true priority because it will enable a lot of other things to be possible.
Brooke Rosolino (41:47.214)
Okay, and do you think that...
Is that for sure a true statement that your website is holding you back from allowing all these other things to be possible? So could that possibly like be like a limiting belief?
Alicia Wolfe (42:00.264)
No, no, of course not.
Alicia Wolfe (42:06.191)
a limiting belief that how I show up online is a reflection of.
Brooke Rosolino (42:12.01)
Well, then it's limiting possibility. Is that maybe an assumption you have?
Alicia Wolfe (42:15.672)
Yes. Which I think is half true. Like I think in this case it is half true. I know in my intellect that no, it's not. And I'm probably, I don't even know because I don't look, but my website probably gets like one visit a month. You know, like it's not something that I'm not generating business from my website. It's also not...
Brooke Rosolino (42:17.81)
Okay. Totally.
Alicia Wolfe (42:39.88)
as I've created the vision for how I grow my business and how I connect with new clients, it's not through a website. That's not even remotely. It's like through referral and word of mouth. And that's how I have built my business has been all through referral. It's not been through Instagram or website or anything. So it's interesting that I still feel like that needs to be done so that I can.
Brooke Rosolino (42:51.256)
Mm-hmm.
Alicia Wolfe (43:09.376)
be successful. And I know that that's not true.
Brooke Rosolino (43:11.122)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, so what is true? What is possible?
Alicia Wolfe (43:18.108)
What is true is that both can happen in parallel with one another.
Alicia Wolfe (43:27.216)
and that it's not a roadblock to success, like not having the website rebranded is not a roadblock to success. And I can grow both at the same time. I can grow the online presence that will open up other possibility. I do know that, like tactically and logistically, like it will. And I can still do what I know to do, which is this podcast and doing other group coachings and things like that I have in the works that...
Brooke Rosolino (43:30.871)
Mm-hmm.
Brooke Rosolino (43:37.87)
Mm-hmm.
Brooke Rosolino (43:45.056)
Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (43:57.472)
can grow my success and support. And I don't even want to say prove my success, because that feels like reflect. Thank you. Reflect my reflect. Yes, it's not reflect my success. Thank you for that. It's reflect my what?
Brooke Rosolino (44:04.746)
Reflect. Is it reflect?
Alicia Wolfe (44:23.38)
It's not worth, it's not success. My ability, my capabilities, it's something like that.
Brooke Rosolino (44:33.394)
Yeah, I'm so every, I'm like listening. And I know, so we can walk people through it, what I, like when I, how kind of I help people get there is I, at this point, I can sense in my body. Sometimes I'll get chills, like I can sense when it's like the correct word and I don't, so that's like, and naming things, I would say an intuition is like huge. So the correct word.
Alicia Wolfe (44:50.388)
Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (44:55.516)
Yeah, same.
Alicia Wolfe (44:59.92)
Yes. Okay, so ask, give me a prompt to find the correct word. Like, give me a letter.
Brooke Rosolino (45:04.122)
Yeah. So, is it C?
Alicia Wolfe (45:11.052)
See.
That's what your intuition just said was C.
Brooke Rosolino (45:15.286)
Well, your website reflects your...
Alicia Wolfe (45:20.7)
Okay, capabilities, contribution, C words.
Brooke Rosolino (45:28.446)
Maybe go to D, actually, because I just said D. Because I stopped and listened a bit more. D. Yeah. No.
Alicia Wolfe (45:30.172)
Okay, D, why?
You sense, okay, yeah, great. See, this is it, you don't wanna question it. It's just kind of like the practice is learning to trust your intuition. Okay, D, so having this new rebranded website or having, and just any website reflects my dreams, my desires, drive, it's not drive, my determination, no?
Brooke Rosolino (45:41.236)
Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (45:53.262)
drive.
Brooke Rosolino (46:05.278)
your... is it daddy?
Alicia Wolfe (46:07.04)
Destiny. Whoa, I just heard destiny.
Brooke Rosolino (46:12.498)
Yeah. Dream, destiny.
Alicia Wolfe (46:17.004)
drive.
Brooke Rosolino (46:19.374)
Um, I thought I... Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (46:20.544)
dedication.
Alicia Wolfe (46:27.112)
I bet people are listening right now and like yelling words. Ah, delivery, delivery.
Brooke Rosolino (46:28.534)
Delivery?
Alicia Wolfe (46:36.883)
My website reflects my delivery. Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (46:42.758)
Yeah, I feel like that's...
Alicia Wolfe (46:44.124)
Yeah, because that's it, because then there's a reflection of what a client, an organization, an individual, a group could expect based on what they're seeing online. And that would be, yes, okay, so good. Thank you. So what I'm taking away is that...
Brooke Rosolino (46:50.542)
Mm-hmm.
Brooke Rosolino (47:01.494)
Your delivery, your deliverables, like it's all there.
Alicia Wolfe (47:11.792)
The rebrand of my website is important because my website reflects my delivery. And it's not the only way to success and that the website can grow and evolve and rebrand at a pace that feels that I'm comfortable with while I also do all the other things that I know to do that drive and grow all these D words and grow my business. Thank you.
Brooke Rosolino (47:32.746)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (47:40.318)
Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (47:43.2)
That feels so much better. Okay, so why was this exercise helpful? Like, tell listeners why it's helpful because I know how it feels in my body to have done it, but tell listeners why it's a helpful exercise.
Brooke Rosolino (47:53.73)
So I think it's just somebody mirroring and sensing, helping you sense for you and prompting. That's all I did. But I've had a lot of practice. And so it's accessible to anybody. So I'm not special. You're not special. We're all gifted with it. It's just a practice of learning it and then understanding, like, OK, that's my intuition. That's like, we knew we weren't at the word yet.
Alicia Wolfe (48:03.229)
Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (48:09.071)
Mm-hmm. Right.
Alicia Wolfe (48:14.876)
Mm-hmm.
Brooke Rosolino (48:23.102)
Right? Like when you said Destiny, I was like, I hear it, but I don't think that's it. So I didn't like be like, yeah, that's it. Now we get to move on. It was like, no, I don't think that's it. Cause I can sense in my body, what I sense when something's on is I get a, I feel like I perk, like my body kind of lifts up a little bit, but it's like a strong grounded like expansion, but also like concrete. I feel stable in my body and it feels strong.
Alicia Wolfe (48:23.658)
Yep.
Alicia Wolfe (48:32.541)
Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (48:40.191)
Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (48:47.184)
Yes, yes. And I felt it. And you can feel it in a client too. Even though we're not in the same room and we're thousands of miles apart from one another, you can still feel my energy when I say the word destiny versus delivery. Right? Deliverable. Yeah. You can sense that when a client says that. So for our listeners, this is something like the number technique that Brooke referenced earlier when it was like you're in...
Brooke Rosolino (48:55.307)
It's amazing.
Brooke Rosolino (49:01.046)
Delivery and deliver. Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (49:14.248)
You sense something is off or you know something's off or you know a decision has to be made on something, whether it's in a work setting or in a personal setting. Get a number. What does your intuition say? Get the number. Don't overthink it. Three, six, 12. It's probably not 12, but three, six, whatever. So the number and then listen for a letter, which Brooke prompted us for. And that can be a great way to just subtly practice accessing your intuition.
Brooke Rosolino (49:16.095)
Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (49:20.055)
Mm-hmm.
Alicia Wolfe (49:43.224)
And that's so important to be able to access your intuition because your intuition can help you lead from a place of choice. And it creates choice and it liberates you to choice.
Brooke Rosolino (49:53.234)
Mm-hmm.
Alicia Wolfe (49:57.268)
And once you're in a state of choice, then you're, you know, you're creative, you're expensive, you're innovative, you can see things clearly, and you can respond with integrity. And that just creates a whole nother, a whole nother ballgame.
Brooke Rosolino (50:14.698)
Yeah. It's fun.
Alicia Wolfe (50:17.64)
It's so good. This has been so fun. Brooke, thank you so much. Thank you so much for helping me work through my own block that I had. I'm so good. And I feel like a thousand pounds lighter, to be honest. So thank you. And this is also a reminder that like coaches need coaches. Like we all we all need like sometimes I'll be working with a client and I'll be like.
Brooke Rosolino (50:24.353)
I loved it. I love it! That was so fun.
Brooke Rosolino (50:29.734)
I'm so glad.
Brooke Rosolino (50:36.947)
A thousand percent.
Alicia Wolfe (50:42.636)
pulling, giving them all these tools. And I'm like, oh my God, I need that. Like I need to be doing that for myself. And I need to oftentimes be reminded by people like Brooke and the other. I'm so grateful to have so many people in my orbit that have access to these tools. So just know that like coaches also need coaches and the therapist also need therapists and personal trainers also need personal trainers. So we're not meant to go this alone and a coach and a consultant can be an amazing asset no matter what level of.
Brooke Rosolino (50:50.126)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Alicia Wolfe (51:12.328)
you know, anything that you are. So this was a really beautiful, shining example of that. Brooke, undoubtedly people are going to want to find more about you and follow you and the beautiful tools and things that you have to offer. Where can people find you and what's coming up?
Brooke Rosolino (51:19.502)
Amazing.
Hmm Yeah
Brooke Rosolino (51:30.286)
So they can go to my website, ingoodcompany.com. It's just a letter in. And yeah, and the podcast. And then I can do a link to our, we have an N'Good book club that's actually, we're just now reading our first book, but we created, it's just an online community to really be able to support people in the workplace to develop.
Alicia Wolfe (51:35.244)
We'll put it in the show notes.
Brooke Rosolino (51:55.77)
um the skills and also like an understanding and like just get nurtured and fed up with other people that really value showing up in a powerful way and so um yeah we're reading books like every month it's like every four to six weeks we go through a book and then we'll have like a workshop at the end but it's a great way to just learn with other people that inspire you just to stay sharp.
Alicia Wolfe (52:21.096)
What's the online book club called? We'll put it on the show notes so people can find it. Okay, I wanna join and I wanna be in a book club and I'd love to, yeah, just continue to tap into this side of life and self that I really miss and crave and getting to explore deeper and deeper. Can you tell listeners what's the book that you're reading first as a group?
Brooke Rosolino (52:23.614)
It's called the N'Good Book Club.
Yes, that would be so fun!
Brooke Rosolino (52:42.434)
Mm-hmm.
Brooke Rosolino (52:47.126)
So it's called Think Like a Horse. My co-founder, Kenna, had read it, and it's about this rancher that works on helping a lot of horses when they're trained, or trained in a very brutal way, and they are kind of traumatized. So he helps to talk about sense making. He's working with a horse on this sensing level and heals these horses. And now he brings CEOs and executives out to his ranch and helps them learn new ways of like,
getting work done that aren't overly masculine and dominating and cruel, essentially. So how to, yeah, get results in a different way. Yeah. And it's all about forces. It's a really beautiful book. And Spotify for everybody has Audible now, basically on Spotify. So for Spotify user, it's free on Spotify. So you can listen to it on Spotify, which has been saving me so much money.
Alicia Wolfe (53:28.416)
Think like a horse. Amazing, amazing.
Alicia Wolfe (53:35.316)
Ah, cool.
Alicia Wolfe (53:40.018)
Yeah.
Brooke Rosolino (53:46.286)
because I read a lot of books. So, yeah. Okay, awesome. Of course.
Alicia Wolfe (53:46.424)
Yeah, so amazing. Thank you for that. Think like a horse. Okay, we'll put all that stuff in the show notes so people can find and follow you. And thank you for your contribution today, for your sharing and your vulnerability and your wisdom and sage advice that you've offered. I know everyone's greatly appreciated, so thank you.
Brooke Rosolino (54:07.438)
Well, I love every time we get to connect. It's always a gift, so. Yes. Okay, thanks, Alicia. Okay. Bye.
Alicia Wolfe (54:10.779)
Such a treat. Yes. Okay. Thanks, Brooke. Be well.
